Ep45 - Ogburn Charles Talks About His First Book

[00:00:00] Greg Mills: Our guest today has spent a life living with and a part of many peoples of the world. He has seen the deserts of Arabia to the ice fields of Antarctica. He's traveled the world, listening to legends and myths and seeing them firsthand. He finally settled in the states and has gotten to what's important his life as a husband and father, he's just released his first book on Amazon. Introducing the one, the only Augburn Charles. A, 

[00:00:31] Ogburn Charles: Yes.

[00:00:32] Greg Mills: can you take a few moments and fill in the gaps from that intro and bring us up to speed with what's going on in your world today. 

[00:00:39] Ogburn Charles: Oh, my world is I own a 25 acre. Uh, You name right now, it's a lot of, uh, mess, but 25 acre farm and I'm setting it up to be an active farm so that we can live off the limb like our ancestors did. And we're gonna open up a, uh, farm market, probably in the LA at a part of the summer around August. So I get some, all our crops that other people may need.

[00:01:04] Ogburn Charles: 'em more than we do.

[00:01:06] Greg Mills: okay. Will this be your first attempt at farming or do you have some experience, you know, in your past or. 

[00:01:15] Ogburn Charles: Not experienced. Yes, I was raised on the farm. Uh, the only thing that I never really got, uh, too good at was, uh, raising the hogs can tanker his punch

[00:01:25] Greg Mills: I've heard they can be smelly too. 

[00:01:29] Ogburn Charles: believe it or not a very short story. Uh, one was about so seven years old, I had this, uh, you know, the dog latches or the hatches that come through the, uh, Door then let your dog in and out. Well, I had a pig that came in and out. It was a pot, belly pig, a small one. I named it Betty and it turned out to be my dinner pig sat next to me every night when I had dinner, I ended up feeding it right there.

[00:01:49] Greg Mills: Okay. When you said dinner, pig. I was thinking, oh, that ended up being my dinner. 

[00:01:55] Ogburn Charles: No, she, nobody would touch her. She was my second pet. My dog would look at her and go really.

[00:02:02] Greg Mills: well, that's cool. I've heard pigs are really smart. 

[00:02:05] Ogburn Charles: Oh, this one was

[00:02:07] Greg Mills: yeah. Now. Obviously, coming from a farming background, that's pretty entrepreneurial. , was

[00:02:15] Greg Mills: there any other entrepreneurs in your family? Did anybody, have their own business or for that matter? Were there any authors in your family? 

[00:02:25] Ogburn Charles: authors. Yeah, it's been a bunch of 'em. Um, Personalities. Yeah. Uh, if you go back in time in the family animals, one of 'em was actually the mayor of New York city back in the 18 hundreds. 

[00:02:38] Greg Mills: Okay. 

[00:02:39] Ogburn Charles: And then there's up in the Northern part of New Jersey. There's a place called, uh, Hewit, which is we founded. It's part of my family.

[00:02:48] Greg Mills: Okay. 

[00:02:48] Ogburn Charles: over up there. And we've been down here in the, uh, Ohio valley for some time. There's quite a few entrepreneurs in the family. Also, my brother started his own business and he failed his first two attempts. The third one, I believe he is gonna make it right now. We've been talking a little bit and we'll see if that actually works for him.

[00:03:08] Greg Mills: Okay. Are you helping him with that or just kind of advising or? 

[00:03:13] Ogburn Charles: I'm just watching from the eyelines. He'll do it himself. We've always been an independent bunch of time, like sink or swim.

[00:03:20] Greg Mills: Okay. can understand that and respect that. Now you mentioned, uh, you know, that you come from a line of authors and is Augburn Charles, is that your, is that your pin, name or real name? 

[00:03:36] Ogburn Charles: No, that's my father's name. I chose that to honor him because he died when I was very young and I never really got to know him.

[00:03:43] Greg Mills: Okay. Well, I think he'd be proud of what you're doing now.

[00:03:48] Ogburn Charles: I can only hope so. I'll find out in about 50 years when I pass on and I go visit him.

[00:03:53] Greg Mills: So was now you've, you've just released your first book or at least I believe it's your first book, is that correct? 

[00:04:01] Ogburn Charles: There's actually been three others previous to that, but they weren't put out in the public market. I wrote them for other individuals and they, uh, used them for, uh, gaming, uh, short stories of children's hospital, a few other things. But my first book actually out in the public is called passage.

[00:04:19] Greg Mills: Okay. Now just riffing off that question. Do you still retain the rights to those other books? 

[00:04:25] Ogburn Charles: No, I don't. I just gave it holy to them. They can do as they please with it. And I was more than proud of doing it for 'em.

[00:04:33] Greg Mills: So we won't see those come up at at some future point. 

[00:04:37] Ogburn Charles: No, you shouldn't. If you do see 'em and everything else I'll guys, they'll just go, well, what's the way it goes.

[00:04:42] Greg Mills: Okay. Now let's talk about passages. Can you give the audience a brief synopsis of it? 

[00:04:51] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. Uh, first off it's five star ratings on, uh, Amazon right now. And everybody that's picked up. The book has told me that they can't put it down. One person read it from cover to cover one day I was impressed. 

[00:05:06] Greg Mills: Wow. 

[00:05:07] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. And they gave me a five star rating and I was like, Ooh. Okay, well, we know we're on the right track, but getting to the question, the book is an action adventure.

[00:05:19] Ogburn Charles: Sci-fi multi-gen book. I call it it work. So if I switch back and forth, you'll know why 

[00:05:25] Ogburn Charles: the, uh, it starts off with lights in the sky, over in Alaskan sky, which is the Yukon I chose from there. Cause I used to live in Alaska. So I'm very familiar with the Yukon basin itself. and some really strange things do go up there.

[00:05:41] Ogburn Charles: It's actually based in native American myth and lore, which is prevalent throughout the entire book with a heavy tint towards science fiction. And the metaphysical, 

[00:05:51] Ogburn Charles: the work itself took me over two years to put together. I based all of it on the midst of, uh, some of the different native American tribes.

[00:06:02] Ogburn Charles: and I threw in some extra stuff that I remember from when I was living in Southern Africa, down there with the tus and I put it all together and it seems to work. They love it.

[00:06:15] Greg Mills: Okay. Now you incorporate all kinds of different legends And, myths. Some of which, you know, our audience will be familiar with like Bigfoot or the Yeti, but others they won't be familiar with. 

[00:06:30] Ogburn Charles: Well, that's true. I mean, one person put it to me in an email that I got recently, the book's like an E ride from Wal Disney world. You don't know where it's gonna end, but it's thrilling the whole way. So the Bigfoot is included in the book, um, in a certain particular passage, I'm not gonna out myself, uh, basically read the book.

[00:06:49] Ogburn Charles: You're gonna love this book. If you like Indiana Jones, you're gonna love this book.

[00:06:54] Greg Mills: Without giving too much away, can you at least kind of give us the. Plot the intro to it. 

[00:07:02] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. Um, two gentlemen. Lee characters, which are prevalent throughout the entire book. Uh, Tom and Frank have lost someone very near and dear to them. And the us military is not coming forward with, uh, the right answers. And so they decided to move to the area where their son or his son to was lost.

[00:07:27] Ogburn Charles: They've been looking for him ever since he has this. Sixth sense, feeling that he's still alive, but can't understand why. So he goes to the Indian sacred lands all the time that they're actually forbidden to go to, but he goes anyway to find his son, cuz he believes he is there and alive in his desk. He has his journal with several pages, torn out those pages.

[00:07:51] Ogburn Charles: I'm not gonna out the rest of the book will just say that he gets what he needs to get the job done.

[00:07:59] Greg Mills: I've read the book myself and I can attest that, there are a lot of different twists and turns to it, 

[00:08:05] Ogburn Charles: That's the E 

[00:08:06] Greg Mills: Some that you will see and some that you won't see coming. 

[00:08:10] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. I don't like the way I write my books, as you probably know. I don't like people being able to guess what the ending is before they get pre past the seventh chapter. Uh, so it never happens. Uh, I've asked people to proofread the book before when many we weeks ago. and they all said basically the same thing.

[00:08:34] Ogburn Charles: They can't figure out where it's gonna go, as they say, it's gonna go left and it goes, right. It goes right. And it goes up

[00:08:41] Greg Mills: I was not going to guess that the Butler did it, but 

[00:08:47] Ogburn Charles: in this case, the Butler scratches. Hi on, I didn't know.

[00:08:51] Greg Mills: and Brett's over there. We had a Butler. 

[00:08:55] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. Well, who knows? I mean, he is running up and down the steps.

[00:08:57] Greg Mills: Yeah. So how are sales with it? 

[00:09:02] Ogburn Charles: Sales are modest right now. They flatline for a little while. Um, when it first came out, obviously you have the intro and the hard parts of getting it out to the public and a few here, a few there, and it pretty much flatlined. And I picked up the book marketing again and started picking back up modestly.

[00:09:22] Ogburn Charles: It's not what I would call heavy right now, but it's modest.

[00:09:27] Greg Mills: When you mentioned book marketing, kinda walk us through that process, what that looks like. 

[00:09:33] Ogburn Charles: A lot of reading, a lot of reading, a lot of, uh, listening, a lot of reading in between the lines. There's a lot of people out there who are saying, I can market this for you for this price. You gonna market that for you for this price. Some of them are good deals. Some of 'em aren't bad deals, but they're all pretty much legit.

[00:09:53] Ogburn Charles: There are those that aren't, you have to watch those. The I haven't marketed out right now. I found a site called D two D drafted digital, 

[00:10:04] Greg Mills: Yeah. 

[00:10:04] Ogburn Charles: and I put the book out on it. It's marketed out worldwide on 13 different channels. 

[00:10:11] Greg Mills: So you're not exclusive with Amazon. 

[00:10:14] Ogburn Charles: no, when I first began in with Amazon, I was exclusive. And I found out that that wasn't the deal that I wanted to go through. Cause it was limiting my marketing abilities. So I decided to go with draft digital, which kept it on Amazon. Anyway, I'm on Barnes and noble Roku, uh, Rotan Roku, which I think is a Canadian version.

[00:10:37] Ogburn Charles: Uh, Filio uh, Barnes and noble about a half a dozen more than I wanna of remember right off the bat.

[00:10:46] Greg Mills: okay. So you submit it through there and then, what do you have to do to get eyes on it? So to speak? 

[00:10:56] Ogburn Charles: They have a, um, dashboard that I log onto wherever the week, just to check it. Cuz like I said, with the farm I'm busier than all and with the extra writing I'm doing, which we'll get into a minute, I think 

[00:11:07] Ogburn Charles: the, uh, dashboard tells me that it's published to each one. It tells me the published date. It was um, The 10th and the 11th of that was actually uploaded to all of those different sites and went hot around the world.

[00:11:23] Ogburn Charles: I'm marketing to India, um, because of the events that are going on with the war. I'm not marketing the China, or I'm not marketing the Russia at this time, 

[00:11:32] Ogburn Charles: but I'm all over the world everywhere else.

[00:11:34] Greg Mills: So what inspired you to write passages? 

[00:11:41] Ogburn Charles: My family is, um, multiethnic. My father was English. My mother is native American 

[00:11:47] Ogburn Charles: And growing up, I met, uh, you probably recognize his name. You remember? Uh, chief half town.

[00:11:55] Greg Mills: I do not know the name. 

[00:11:57] Ogburn Charles: Okay. When I was a very little boy, I met chief half town. He was of, if I remember correctly, I could be, or, um, but I don't know. It was so many years ago and I think he was, uh, chief of the Cherokee tribe, but I'm not sure. and my mother introduced me to him. It was a big moment in my life. Cause I remember the, uh, headdress of the chief, the world, the Eagle feathers, and throughout my entire life, I've listened to the stories of different tribes.

[00:12:27] Ogburn Charles: My grandfather was a QUT 

[00:12:29] Ogburn Charles: and I listened of their tribal stories. Also. I said at some of their powwows, some of their fires, the elders have taught me their stories. And the same with the English side. And my father taught me all about the English people when they came to America and all of that, that's how I got started with this and it pique my interest and I traveled the world and learned more.

[00:12:54] Ogburn Charles: We're all one big happy family out there, although you never know about what on these days.

[00:13:01] Greg Mills: Yeah.

[00:13:01] Greg Mills: I'd say we're all one big family. Whether some of our distant cousins recognize that or not, I don't know about happy, 

[00:13:09] Ogburn Charles: Yeah,

[00:13:09] Greg Mills: That would be the goal. So how old were you when you met chief half town 

[00:13:15] Ogburn Charles: I think it was about six or seven. 

[00:13:17] Greg Mills: that had to have made that had to have made a huge impact on your life? I would like. 

[00:13:22] Ogburn Charles: It did immediately. Well, pretty much right after I, for some reason I can't explain it to this day. I started spending huge amounts of times out, out in the woods. Either by myself, there was a clearing, not too far from, uh, my grandmother's house. My grandmother's house is located right next to a five, 600 acre farm.

[00:13:44] Ogburn Charles: We had a 50 acre farm up behind her house and I went over there and I just followed path and it led me to a clearing and there was a big rock in the middle with, uh, etchings on it from, I think it was either the native Americans or something from generations ago. I spent tons of time back there. Just.

[00:14:03] Ogburn Charles: Sitting there and wondering, and that was, this is a mystical time in my life and it still continues to this day. I still find stuff all over the place.

[00:14:15] Greg Mills: Okay. Getting back to the book. How many words and pages is it roughly? 

[00:14:21] Ogburn Charles: It's around 260 pages. So a little over 70,000 words, I think.

[00:14:27] Greg Mills: Okay. How long did it take you to write that? 

[00:14:30] Ogburn Charles: Well, the first idea, the first draft was about two years ago. 

[00:14:34] Greg Mills: Oh, wow. 

[00:14:36] Ogburn Charles: Yeah.

[00:14:37] Greg Mills: We'll get into this in a little bit, but I'm thinking that you've kinda really ramped up your writing style. You've gotten quicker since then. 

[00:14:47] Ogburn Charles: Uh, yeah, I mean, I have several other books that are sitting pre practically done right now that, uh, I just need to put through editors and others and have some people proofread it. I'm looking for people that if they're interested in contact me at my email, my, uh, author, Charles gmail.com and. I'm looking for like 10 or 12 people to want free digital copies.

[00:15:16] Ogburn Charles: I'll send 'em a copy. All I ask in return is let you tell me what you think of the book.

[00:15:21] Greg Mills: Okay, will these people also be, potentially beta reading for you at some point. 

[00:15:27] Ogburn Charles: If they chose it's up to them.

[00:15:31] Greg Mills: Let's go back. You've got a book written. What are your next steps? 

[00:15:38] Ogburn Charles: my next steps. I've got several of the books that I've nearly completed. Ancients volume, one to set of two, we'll be ready by probably March late March or early April. And I'm trying to figure out if I wanna put that out traditional or self pub. If I put it out self pub, it goes the way that the other book had.

[00:16:04] Ogburn Charles: If I put it out traditional, I have a publisher. I'll talk to him.

[00:16:08] Ogburn Charles: Self gives you a lot of channels, a lot of control, a lot of control. Uh, you can set your price, you change your prices daily. You can run specials. You do this, that, uh, that's basically the Amazon platform with the others.

[00:16:22] Ogburn Charles: Uh, the D to D platform highly recommended by the way, these guys are very friendly, the way to work with. So, and they're free by the way. Did I say free? 

[00:16:32] Greg Mills: Oh, wow. 

[00:16:33] Ogburn Charles: I like free

[00:16:35] Greg Mills: who doesn't. 

[00:16:37] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. Um, basically self pub is everywhere at the same time. Whereas traditional, you are locked into their system their way and it gets done in their time. . 

[00:16:56] Ogburn Charles: So if you have the time to wait, that's fine. If you're anxious sometimes like me, you put things out in a hurry. 

[00:17:03] Greg Mills: I could see where. Both would have their merits. I think I would probably lean more towards self-publishing, but it couldn't hurt, to, to experiment and see how the, publishing channel it, how big of an audience they can expose you to and how it takes off from there. 

[00:17:22] Ogburn Charles: well, I'm looking for a really good literary agent, right, right now. So if anybody's out there listening, he intent, gimme a call, you know, um,

[00:17:31] Greg Mills: We'll have your contact info at the end of the show. We'll let you put that out. 

[00:17:35] Ogburn Charles: Oh, cool. Thank you. So the thing with the self pub you are right. It gives you so much more and you can go on a site called Canva CA and VA. You could come up with the most beautiful covers. You've seen them. 

[00:17:51] Ogburn Charles: You was like, if the subtitle doesn't work, change the subtitle, you can't do that if you're with a traditional publisher, because once it's out, it's out.

[00:18:03] Ogburn Charles: so you have some modicum of control with, uh, traditional, whereas you have a ton of control with self, but on the other hand, the traditional houses have so many more contacts and they have all that clout. So you really can't go up against that because you don't have 10th of what they, it. 

[00:18:22] Greg Mills: Who did your cover for passages? 

[00:18:25] Ogburn Charles: I did.

[00:18:26] Greg Mills: That's pretty impressive.

[00:18:28] Ogburn Charles: Thank you. 

[00:18:29] Greg Mills: Yeah. Did you.

[00:18:30] Greg Mills: also do the book formatting or, cause I've heard horror stories about that. 

[00:18:37] Ogburn Charles: Yeah, the formatting was done. Um, editing was done by a friend.

[00:18:42] Ogburn Charles: Amazon puts out these pages where you can read and you can find out what the formatting's supposed to be ahead of time. You can also go on YouTube. There's this big. Entourage of videos of people telling you how to format your book. That's helpful also, but in the end, what you have to do is you just have to read each one's like take barns and mobile, their site, you go on their site, they'll tell you how to format it, Roku, same thing.

[00:19:09] Ogburn Charles: And if you do D to D it just gets formatted in one shot and it goes, boom, straight out. And they do it themselves.

[00:19:14] Greg Mills: That's a huge selling point right there. 

[00:19:18] Ogburn Charles: Yeah, it is. I mean, I am way impressed with D today. Uh, they have been on point with everything

[00:19:26] Greg Mills: So what's been the most difficult part of the process for you. 

[00:19:33] Ogburn Charles: spending hours in chair. I'm not used to it. It's like when I'm into waiting, I can. Get two, three, sometimes 4,000 words in a day, 

[00:19:44] Ogburn Charles: uh, when I'm not writing and I'm fidgety, the only thing I can do is maybe get two or three pages out. It's I treat it like a job I'm semi-retired as it is, I treat it like a job.

[00:19:58] Ogburn Charles: I usually try to get it on this thing about three to four hours a day. Sometimes I only get an hour. Sometimes I'll be on this thing for 16 hours. But the hardest part is inventing. I take the Stephen King method of writing books. The gentleman is completely awesome. If I ever met him, I just wanna shake his hand and say, thank you for guiding me. He's an intuitive writer. I remember looking at one of his interviews. He's in 240, he just says, write and see where the story takes you. I have done that with every one of these books right now. The book count is out to 10. I have 10 of 'em almost finished. 

[00:20:36] Greg Mills: One thing I did not realize about Stephen King. I used to read a lot of his short stories and, one collection, I forget which one actually had a sports. Baseball short story about his son. Owen was apparently a, pretty good baseball player and they made it, to the world series. And I don't think they won it, but the writing that he did for that was pretty riveting. 

[00:21:02] Ogburn Charles: He's excellent writer who really is the, I don't know if you know the story of how he wrote, um, what was that one with the, um, dog CJA? he, I, I was listening to him and he says he had to get his motorcycle fixed. So he asked a guy in town, up in Maine where he could get his bike fixed. And he told him he drove up there on the bike and it was pretty well ready to die on me.

[00:21:31] Ogburn Charles: He got it up there and his big dog came down and it looked like he wanted to eat him. The person stopped the dog and he got the. Tuition to write CJA and you know, it came out to be a movie and a best seller. 

[00:21:49] Greg Mills: And all because he, was having problems with his bike and somebody had a huge dog 

[00:21:54] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. I liked the movie. I thought it was great.

[00:22:00] Greg Mills: yeah, I've run into several CU Joes

[00:22:04] Ogburn Charles: yeah, I think we all have . 

[00:22:07] Greg Mills: Getting back to the book, what are some of the ways that you're promoting this? 

[00:22:12] Ogburn Charles: I am going by as many guides as I can. First off, I'm going to, I research constantly every day. I'm on this finding new ways to research where I need to be to put this book of our people. The DTD was a major. Up step on that. The, my Twitter account I learned Charles and 

[00:22:42] Greg Mills: okay. 

[00:22:43] Ogburn Charles: yeah. Uh, is huge. I'm up to six, 700 people right now.

[00:22:47] Ogburn Charles: And they're retweeting everything that I put out. And that just goes out to multiple, you know, you do a geometric regression on that. I can only imagine how many people it's actually hitting and getting a lot of high level authors coming on as, uh, friends. and I talk to 'em occasionally that's one way I do this.

[00:23:06] Ogburn Charles: Um, social media platforms are important. They very much are, uh, Facebook. I've never really been a fan of Facebook, so I kind of stay off it. But Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, which is owned by Facebook. So shot myself at afford on that one. And a couple others that I use, uh, Pinterest, um, Rezi is another one in one.

[00:23:30] Ogburn Charles: And good reads I'm on. Also, I have to update that shortly, uh, basically anywhere and everywhere I can get this book in front of somebody. I do it. I'm shamelessly promoting myself. I'm surprised I don't have a t-shirt that says me Arthur, by book.

[00:23:49] Greg Mills: you should buy or you should create one 

[00:23:52] Ogburn Charles: That's an idea I'm gonna actually do that. I came up with another one. 

[00:23:56] Greg Mills: There you go. 

[00:23:58] Ogburn Charles: thank you.

[00:24:00] Greg Mills: So, how are you staying connected with your fans? you.

[00:24:03] Greg Mills: mentioned, uh, Twitter. Are you, have you got a mailing list or, 

[00:24:08] Ogburn Charles: I have a list that's already about 900 strong. 

[00:24:13] Greg Mills: oh, 

[00:24:14] Ogburn Charles: put out my first newsletter yet. I'm getting ready to, I'm still trying to figure out the. the way of doing it. Sometimes they put it across like, okay, I'm not Einstein here, just an author. Let's figure this out. And so once it's ready, I'll send it out all 900 in a shot at one time, and then we'll see where it goes from there.

[00:24:36] Ogburn Charles: I've also enlisted da of a few friends of mine and they're using their sites and stuff to put their stuff out. On my, I send them a blurb of my stuff. They'll put it out and they tell me they're getting back a lot of good feed on that. Also.

[00:24:51] Greg Mills: You've got the job of writing. You've got the job of farming and you also have the job of marketing your book. So I'm pretty amazed at that. You have the time to do any of these. 

[00:25:03] Ogburn Charles: There's nights where I don't sleep, because I'm thinking that okay, if I go this swing instead of that way, or then I go up instead of down and it'll make a difference. And sometimes it actually does. I've had people offer me like this one lady that I went through on Twitter. Her name is Mel rock. I have to put it out there.

[00:25:27] Ogburn Charles: Look her up the absolute best in book marketing period that I've ever used my opinion on what . 

[00:25:36] Greg Mills: okay. 

[00:25:37] Ogburn Charles: So you can reach her on fiber. The lady's incredible. I went out, I did some advertising with her and everything else. The book spiked, like I haven't seen yet. It's like, wow.

[00:25:51] Greg Mills: Okay. So if we have any other authors out there in addition to contacting Augburn you probably want to contact Millrock as well. 

[00:25:59] Ogburn Charles: Yeah, you can find her on fifth fiber. And that's exactly the name she uses is smell rocking. You tell her that I'm born. Charles said maybe she'll gimme free Perez. I don't know.

[00:26:08] Greg Mills: Okay. Now, What's next for you. You've got a number of books due out soon. Can you tell us about those? 

[00:26:17] Ogburn Charles: Yeah, the next one up, as I said earlier, is ancient's volume one. So it's basically real fast about, uh, anti Delian city. That's rising again after several more, plenty of being under the earth. And I'm not gonna give away much more than that right now. Cause it's not ready and I haven't done much advertising on it yet.

[00:26:36] Greg Mills: Okay. 

[00:26:37] Ogburn Charles: The other ones, uh, AI, artificial intelligence. That's due out this winter. I have a, uh, another one it's called, um, Tempest. That one I'll get back to in a second. Cause I need some explanation cuz that one steps on a lot of buttons that people don't like, 

[00:26:55] Ogburn Charles: Missed the times. That's my traditionally published one.

[00:26:58] Ogburn Charles: The first volume of five is coming out in late August. If they hold to the schedule, I have the prototype copy right now of the proof. I guess they call it of the cover. I put it on my Twitter. So if somebody wants to go look, they can, it's also on my LinkedIn. I then after that, I've got another one called destroyer shock wave.

[00:27:26] Ogburn Charles: and a couple other stuff I can't even think of right off the bat right now.

[00:27:30] Greg Mills: Wow. So you you've got a number in the works then. 

[00:27:35] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. Um, my fingers I'm surprised that I have fingers left so yeah, I am very, very busy. I am looking for somebody right now that wants to be a banner reader, a proofreader, and I could use an editor, somebody that knows what they're doing. 

[00:27:55] Greg Mills: mm-hmm now. 

[00:27:57] Ogburn Charles: Yeah, because I don't have a lot of time with this.

[00:27:59] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. You put a punctuation in along the spot and you look like a yoyo, uh, you know, want to do that. I had that happen to me. Once a gentleman told me he had to put the book down, but cause it was so bad and I'm like looking at it. I'm going Al. That hurt, but it also at the same time motivated 

[00:28:19] Ogburn Charles: So now we have what we have and I learned from it.

[00:28:22] Ogburn Charles: Life is a learning experience. So there you go. That's the, it is

[00:28:29] Greg Mills: So let's talk about Tempest. I'll let you describe it. 

[00:28:34] Ogburn Charles: Tempus. Before I tell you what to cover about is a very dark work. It's the only one that unlikely to ever do. Cause don't believe in bad endings. This is rooted in the world. War II, 1943 ish. The cover itself is a SWER with a golden Eagle on it. It's about Germans , but it's not only about the Germans. it's about the duplicity of the governments of the world in hiding something that is called Tempest.

[00:29:13] Ogburn Charles: And this book does not pull any punches. This book list, the atrocities that were done to the Jews. I'm not pulling any punches because if you don't learn from history, you you're gonna repeat it. Look what we got going on now. 

[00:29:28] Greg Mills: Yeah. 

[00:29:31] Ogburn Charles: Somebody's gonna have to stop this guy soon, and we're gonna end up with another major war and we're gonna repeat Hitler all over again.

[00:29:38] Ogburn Charles: That's my opinion. 

[00:29:41] Greg Mills: I don't disagree with that. 

[00:29:44] Ogburn Charles: the thing with Tempest is right now, it's in its third draft. I have been playing with this book for seven years, seven years of research. Into the Nazis, what they were doing, how they were doing it when they did it, why they did it. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I'm knowledgeable. I've went to some of their places.

[00:30:10] Ogburn Charles: Auschwitz. Unbelievable. Uh, you can't walk in a, this out Brian I'm 60 plus years old and they had tears. What they did to those people was unbelievable. And what they're doing to those people now is unbelievable. I'm sorry, I'm going off with a tangent again.

[00:30:31] Greg Mills: It's okay. My wife and I took a trip to Washington. It's been four or five years ago and we went to the Holocaust museum and you just go through like this maze of exhibits and I, I don't want to. Say that lightly in that they're all, it's just horrifying. What the Nazis did to the Jews. 

[00:30:58] Ogburn Charles: Yeah.

[00:30:58] Greg Mills: One exhibit was just a mound of shoes and those were all the people's shoes that, they confiscated before they went, to the gas chambers. 

[00:31:09] Ogburn Charles: Yeah, there were other piles too, but we won't get into that cuz your audience may not want to hear it. The, uh, book itself, when it's done will be about 340 pages. So I'm considering the breaking. It will set cause it to length theory. I don't want it to be war in peace. 

[00:31:27] Greg Mills: Right. 

[00:31:29] Ogburn Charles: But, um, it covers the duplicity of the United States operation paper clip, um, all the, bringing the Nazis over here in the early years to work for NASA.

[00:31:41] Ogburn Charles: It it's in there, um, operational desks in there, all of that stuff where the people over there, I'm not gonna start with that because that would ruffle feathers. And I don't really wanna do that. That's in the book. Let's just say that it's extremely dark and there's a lot of death in that book, but I had to do it because I believe in my own self that if you don't learn, you're going to repeat it.

[00:32:19] Ogburn Charles: So that book I've been working on it a little bit, but with the schedule I have right now, won't be out until next year sometime.

[00:32:28] Greg Mills: With a topic like that, you definitely don't wanna rush it. You wanna take your time and get it right?

[00:32:33] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. Yeah. It's just, I'm just thinking about it. This is like, 

[00:32:39] Greg Mills: Now you've mentioned traveling all over the globe. Do you have some, interesting stories or memorable sites that, uh, you'd like to tell us about, or that you can talk about that you've incorporated into your books or? 

[00:32:53] Ogburn Charles: Oh, well, in the, uh, I said just, we already talked about the native American, the Cree, the Cherokee legends, some of that motu tribe that I tossed in there also. From Africa. Um, I actually visited Timbuktu. 

[00:33:10] Ogburn Charles: Say, well, I mean, Timbuktu, there is a place called Timbuktu. It's used to be a town village city on the lines, on the trade lines centuries ago.

[00:33:24] Ogburn Charles: Now it's pretty much running down. There's hardly anybody around it's. There are people still there, but I only spend an hour there. So I moved on really quickly. The, uh, there's a place in Algeria. It's called the eye of the desert bit. There, you can look that up on Google. It actually looks like an eye from space.

[00:33:44] Ogburn Charles: Some people are saying it was an, uh, some people were saying it was a, uh, asteroid impact and people were saying, its media vulcanism take you pick. I don't know. But it was just interesting. So I decided do it. 

[00:33:54] Greg Mills: Yeah. 

[00:33:55] Ogburn Charles: Oh, I've seen the pyramids. I've been through the middle east a couple times. I tried speaking Farsi a couple times.

[00:34:05] Ogburn Charles: Never quite got that right. For all. I know I was asking a guy what a shoe size was.

[00:34:09] Greg Mills: Yeah, that could be a bad, Uh, that could be a bad mistake there.

[00:34:14] Ogburn Charles: Uh, yeah, good, but they're respectable people, but they have their ways set in their own traditions and the way they do things. So you kinda watch yourself when I have good respect for him. Well, 

[00:34:25] Greg Mills: Now, 

[00:34:25] Ogburn Charles: the go ahead.

[00:34:27] Greg Mills: when you tra, when you traveled to all these places, were you, did you do it on your own dime or uncle Sam's or Combination. Uh,

[00:34:35] Ogburn Charles: Combination. I was a soldier for a long time and I traveled a lot through that, but in times I did it a lot on my own. Also, um, England, I went to stone hinge. That's an interesting place before they started gating it off. That was years ago. 

[00:34:55] Ogburn Charles: Then some of the other pale sites, there's one in France where they have the stones that are standing up right in the field.

[00:35:02] Ogburn Charles: But I don't remember its name right off the bat have been there. Also the, I wanted to go to Russia, but I never quite made it in there as close as I got with saw Siberia, but I had to cross over from Alaska. And I was there for a day or so. And then I used to live in Alaska. I've been everywhere pretty much 

[00:35:26] Greg Mills: I'm 

[00:35:27] Ogburn Charles: the only place.

[00:35:28] Greg Mills: I'm laughing because you're probably the one person that wanted to Go to Siberia. 

[00:35:35] Ogburn Charles: oh, when they say the minus 97, they're not kidding. I was wearing a ski jacket at the time. It was like, I was wearing a t-shirt.

[00:35:42] Greg Mills: Yeah. Uh, minus 20 and I was the coldest I've ever been, and that was also in Alaska

[00:35:51] Greg Mills: it just was not a, uh, A pleasant feeling. So I can't even imagine minus 97. 

[00:36:00] Ogburn Charles: I have another book that's coming out. Uh, also it's called the paranormal life. I'll say more on that later. At some point, because it's just a concept right now and I'm not really even worrying about it, but I just started bring it up for topic. 

[00:36:15] Greg Mills: Okay. 

[00:36:17] Ogburn Charles: The, uh, the one place that I went to and I thought that it was absolutely astonishing, was Greece.

[00:36:29] Ogburn Charles: I went to Greece and I visited the temples. 

[00:36:33] Ogburn Charles: And they have them okay. Off now. Cause you can't get in there. But back in the day with regarding Tempest, they were all over the place and it was like, you get a feel for what the different peoples of the world are. Like. That's why I say we're all one big.

[00:36:51] Ogburn Charles: Maybe not so happy on as you put it. There's just too many cultural differences. And I don't know if people are actually. Taking the time to notice each other. 

[00:37:03] Greg Mills: Yeah, 

[00:37:04] Ogburn Charles: So 

[00:37:05] Greg Mills: I blame the internet for that. 

[00:37:10] Ogburn Charles: I think we all have, so yeah, that's where I'm at. As far as travels is concern, the only, the other place I'd like to go is, uh, that I haven't been to yet. And this kind of funny that's on my bucket list. There's two places. 

[00:37:25] Greg Mills: okay. 

[00:37:26] Ogburn Charles: One's the grand canyon haven't been there yet. Everywhere else except to grand canyon.

[00:37:31] Ogburn Charles: Go figure that one out. Yeah. That and the Redwood forest in Alaska. I wanna go to both.

[00:37:38] Greg Mills: Hey, you seems like you would've had the opportunity when you were in Alaska. Just didn't get around to it or 

[00:37:44] Ogburn Charles: No, I didn't. No, I was too busy out there. Gold panning and looking for gemstones I'm I'm a nut. One comes to that kind of stuff like gold pan to this day, but believe me, Ohio doesn't have a whole lot of stuff. 

[00:37:54] Greg Mills: Yeah. 

[00:37:56] Ogburn Charles: So, uh, There was, um, something I put out on my Twitter a couple weeks ago and it's almost running out now, but for that entire month, the earnings that I would've gotten from any book sales and everything, I want to extend that out another month here on this, I'm gonna donate it to the Ukrainians.

[00:38:14] Ogburn Charles: They need it more than I do.

[00:38:16] Greg Mills: okay. That's very, very generous of you. So 

[00:38:21] Ogburn Charles: Well, they do, they need as much help as they can get. 

[00:38:23] Greg Mills: Yeah. they do. They definitely do.

[00:38:25] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. It's out in digital form right now. I'm not doing a paperback on it for a while. Amazon has some crazy stuff I have to go through to get that done. And the other one, I'm just not interested in the paperback at this time. Cause digital is a lot easier and a lot faster to get the people.

[00:38:45] Greg Mills: I can understand that. 

[00:38:46] Ogburn Charles: Yeah.

[00:38:47] Greg Mills: Let's get ready to wrap this up. What book do you currently recommend to move someone? That's interested in becoming an author to actually becoming an author,

[00:38:59] Ogburn Charles: That's easy. Stephen. King's how to write.

[00:39:02] Greg Mills: Stephen Kings, how to write. Okay. 

[00:39:05] Ogburn Charles: Yeah, 

[00:39:06] Greg Mills: I have to look that 

[00:39:07] Ogburn Charles: in genius. Man's a genius. He knows exactly what he's talking about.

[00:39:12] Greg Mills: Is there a piece of software or app that you find indispensable when you're writing 

[00:39:17] Ogburn Charles: Oh, yeah. Grammarly. 

[00:39:19] Greg Mills: Grammarly? Okay. I could see where that would be a big, a big help. 

[00:39:24] Ogburn Charles: Yeah. I have a subscription to Grammarly right now for the next year or so. I just run all my stuff through it that tells me, Hey, put this here. Instead of over there, it look better.

[00:39:34] Greg Mills: Okay. Now, lastly, what's the number one piece of advice that you can give for our listeners. 

[00:39:45] Ogburn Charles: That's there's so many things that are running through my head, but, uh, it's first thing that comes to my mind is that treat each other the way they're supposed to be treated. You don't disrespect each other because if you do there's things coming down the road, you're seeing it now. And we don't need this kind of crap.

[00:40:06] Ogburn Charles: We all need to get along.

[00:40:09] Greg Mills: I would say that's good advice. Well, that's a wrap. Thank you. Augburn for being a guest on entrepreneurs over 40. 

[00:40:17] Ogburn Charles: And I thank you for the time.